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Wonderful essay as usual. Let me fill in a couple of details about Ram Dass. When he got kicked out of Harvard, he said everyone in the room was looking at him like he was a big loser, throwing away a career destined for a top spot in the profession. But he said “I felt free and relaxed.”. Nonetheless, in a short time, he was profoundly depressed (in India). This can be taken as his true katabasis moment, and now he was ready for any help, for grace. But since he was in saint training, he got more. A massive stroke 20 some years later took away his facile comic stories. And then a few years later he had another katabasis of some kind of sepsis which took most of his strength and health.

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Amy Lynne's avatar

Wow, Bruce—this was incredible. I’d never heard of katabasis before, but I connected to it immediately.

I agree with Karen that women often enter katabasis through motherhood. We lose so much of ourselves when we become a mom—identity, time, sleep. There’s isolation and the relentless responsibility and they become a kind of long, quiet descent. A lot of us don’t even realize we’re in it until our kids are grown and we can finally come up for air.

For me personally, I feel like I’ve gone through katabasis more than once: motherhood but also betrayals that sent me into some deep underworld places, spitting me out into a sort of sovereignty where I had to rebuild and reclaim who I was. It changed me in ways nothing else could.

Maybe the difference in katabasis for men is it often arrives as a rupture of some kind—sudden collapse, a loss, a shattering of identity. For women, it’s usually slower and quieter, almost cyclical.

But the outcome is the same for both men and women—the ashes reveal the wound, and the wound reveals the gift.

That line from Bly is really sticking with me: “Where a person’s wound is, that’s where their genius will be.”

My own descents have totally burned away who I thought I was supposed to be. I’m finally beginning to see the shape of who I really am.

Truly loved this piece. And what a couple stressful people Nick & Giovanni were! I would never go: “Bruce, what were you thinking?!” Simply because I’d have totally gotten taken in by Giovanni too—I think I dated a version of him last year! 😂

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